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10:04:03 AM Start
10:04:52 AM SB54
11:57:07 AM Adjourn
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+ Invited Testimony Regarding SB 54 TELECONFERENCED
--Testimony & Teleconference <Invitation Only>--
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        October 16, 2017                                                                                        
                           10:04 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Zach Fansler, Vice Chair (telephonic)                                                                            
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins (telephonic)                                                                             
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative David Eastman (telephonic)                                                                                       
Representative Chuck Kopp                                                                                                       
Representative Lora Reinbold                                                                                                    
Representative Charisse Millett (alternate)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
Representative Louise Stutes (alternate)                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
OTHER MEMBERS                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
Representative Dan Saddler (telephonic)                                                                                         
Representative Charisse Millett                                                                                                 
Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                       
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Senator Click Coghill                                                                                                           
Senator Berta Gardner                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Zach Fansler, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative David Eastman                                                                                                    
Representative Chuck Kopp                                                                                                       
Representative Lora Reinbold                                                                                                    
Representative Charisse Millett                                                                                                 
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 54(FIN)                                                                                                  
"An  Act  relating  to  crime   and  criminal  law;  relating  to                                                               
violation of  condition of release; relating  to sex trafficking;                                                               
relating  to sentencing;  relating to  imprisonment; relating  to                                                               
parole;  relating to  probation;  relating to  driving without  a                                                               
license;  relating   to  the   pretrial  services   program;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     HEARING ONLY - House Judiciary Standing Committee was not                                                                
     in possession of SB 54 at the time of this hearing.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRAD MYRSTOL, Ph.D                                                                                                              
UAA Associate Professor/Interim Director                                                                                        
University of Alaska Anchorage Justice Center                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   During the  hearing  of SB  54, offered  a                                                             
PowerPoint titled, "Crimes Known to Police (Alaska)."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN SEAN CASE, Acting Deputy Chief                                                                                          
Anchorage Police Department                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   During the  hearing of SB 54,  testified as                                                             
to the Anchorage Police Department, and answered questions.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GERAN TARR                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:    During  the   hearing  of  SB  54,  asked                                                             
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ROB HENDERSON, Deputy Attorney General                                                                                          
Central Office, Criminal Division                                                                                               
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   During the hearing of SB  54, presented "SB
54 Highlights" and answered questions.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:04:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MATT  CLAMAN called the House  Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting  to order  at 10:04  a.m.  Representatives Claman,  Kopp,                                                               
LeDoux, Reinbold, Millett  (alternate), Fansler (telephonic), and                                                               
Eastman  (telephonic)   were  present  at  the   call  to  order.                                                               
Representative   Kreiss-Tomkins  (telephonic)   arrived  as   the                                                               
meeting was in progress.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
               INVITED TESTIMONY REGARDING SB 54                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:04:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN advised that the  first committee of referral for SB
54 is the  House State Affairs Standing Committee,  and the House                                                               
Judiciary Standing Committee is  its second referral.  Therefore,                                                               
this  meeting   is  solely  an  informational   meeting  to  hear                                                               
presentations from  individuals discussing the impacts  of SB 54.                                                               
As chair of  this committee, he said it was  important to meet in                                                               
Anchorage and  give Anchorage  community members  the opportunity                                                               
to  attend in  person.   He  reiterated that  this  is solely  an                                                               
informational meeting  regarding SB  54, and the  committee would                                                               
not take public testimony.   The invited speakers are as follows:                                                               
Brad  Myrstol, Associate  Professor and  Interim Director  of the                                                               
UAA  Justice  Center; Captain  Sean  Case,  Acting Deputy  Chief,                                                               
Anchorage Police  Department; and Rob Henderson,  Deputy Attorney                                                               
General, Department of law, he advised.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:06:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BRAD  MYRSTOL, Ph.D,  UAA  Associate Professor/Interim  Director,                                                               
University of  Alaska Anchorage Justice Center,  advised that his                                                               
presentation  titled, "Crimes  Known  to  Police (Alaska)"  would                                                               
involve  the Uniform  Crime Report  data complied  monthly during                                                               
2014  to  2016.   This  information  was originally  compiled  in                                                               
response  to  a  request  from  Representative  Gabrielle  LeDoux                                                               
during a  committee meeting  last week  to provide  more detailed                                                               
information on a  shorter timeframe.  During the  past few years,                                                               
the Department  of Public Safety (DPS)  published statewide crime                                                               
total  information,  on  a month-to-month  basis,  in  its  Crime                                                             
Alaska Report,  and this presentation  will present that  data at                                                             
the state level on a month-to-month  basis.  The data sources for                                                               
the  computation  of  the rates  included  in  this  presentation                                                               
include as  follows: crime count information  taken from publicly                                                               
available and  published documents  on crime  in Alaska;  and the                                                               
population  data  used to  compute  crime  rates taken  from  the                                                               
Alaska  Department of  Labor &  Workforce Development  (DLWF), he                                                               
explained.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:08:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL turned to slide  2, titled, "Larceny Thefts (Alaska),                                                               
and  oriented  the committee  to  the  slides  as follows:    the                                                               
vertical axis on the slides is  the actual crime rate computed as                                                               
crime  known to  police  per 100,000  population; the  horizontal                                                               
axis has two  levels of labeling, located at the  bottom is 2014,                                                               
2015, 2016 of  which are the years of  reference, and immediately                                                               
above is  a series  of letters highlighted  with a  green overlay                                                               
representing the  first letter  of each  month.   Importantly, he                                                               
noted, with the monthly crime  rates, the actual magnitude of the                                                               
crime rate  is substantially  lower than "what  you would  see in                                                               
typical annualized  crime rate data"  because this  aggregates by                                                               
each month.  He explained that  in an annualized crime rate there                                                               
is the sum  total for the entire year divided  by the population,                                                               
and this  presentation is  a monthly total  divided by  that same                                                               
population.  Therefore, he said, there  is a large shift in terms                                                               
of  the  magnitude of  the  crime  rate  itself, but  the  trends                                                               
provide important information.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR.   MYRSTOL  noted   the   vertical   graying  reference   line                                                               
demarcating the implementation  of Senate Bill 91  [passed in the                                                               
Twenty-Ninth  Alaska State  Legislature] in  July 2016,  which is                                                               
just a point  of reference.  Finally, he explained,  the red dash                                                               
line is a  visual reference providing the  average trends through                                                               
the data.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:10:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL  turned to the specifics  of slide 2, pointed  to the                                                               
three marked  humps and  advised it  is a  clear indication  of a                                                               
seasonal effect in  the monthly crime rate.   During late summer,                                                               
early fall, the larceny theft rates  in the past three years peak                                                               
at  that  time  with  a sharp  drop-off  following  that  period.                                                               
Consistent with  that seasonal trend, during  the six-month post-                                                               
Senate Bill  91 period, there is  a considerable drop off  in the                                                               
larceny theft rate  in the statewide totals.   He commented, that                                                               
is fully consistent with what was  seen in the prior two years in                                                               
terms of the  seasonal drop off and, notably, it  did not flatten                                                               
out or increase.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:11:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL turned  to slide 3, titled  "Burglaries (Alaska)" and                                                               
reiterated that  these represent  the amount of  burglaries known                                                               
to  police  per  100,000  population  statewide  for  each  month                                                               
beginning in  January 2014 and  extending through  December 2016.                                                               
He pointed  to a seasonal  trend in  this data, and  advised that                                                               
although  it  is  more  difficult  to see  with  the  naked  eye,                                                               
essentially the  seasonal trend  remains the  same by  peaking in                                                               
late summer and early fall, and  dropping off at the early winter                                                               
months period.   The drop off  in the post-Senate Bill  91 period                                                               
is consistent with the seasonal  effect seen during the prior two                                                               
years, and he  noted that within the burglary  rate depicted here                                                               
in a  three-year period,  there is  a fairly  consistent increase                                                               
over time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:12:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL turned  to slide 4, titled, "MV  Thefts (Alaska)" and                                                               
said it  is month by  month, January 2014 through  December 2016.                                                               
He pointed  out that there is  a different pattern in  this data,                                                               
of which  he said he  alluded to  during his testimony  last week                                                               
with respect to  the behavior of motor vehicle  thefts across the                                                               
state and  various jurisdictions  he reviewed, and  now reflected                                                               
in statewide  data.   The long  and short of  it with  respect to                                                               
this particular  slide, he explained,  beginning at  late winter,                                                               
early spring  2015, the  trend of  motor vehicle  thefts changed.                                                               
He commented  that it appears  there is a seasonal  trend similar                                                               
to what is seen in the  other property crimes, and beginning 2015                                                               
things changed markedly.   During the post-Senate  Bill 91 period                                                               
there was an increase of  motor vehicle theft on a month-to-month                                                               
basis,  but  that  is  a  continuation  of  a  trend  that  began                                                               
approximately one year prior.   He noted a significant difference                                                               
in  overall patterning  as compared  to preceding  burglaries and                                                               
larceny thefts.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:15:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MYRSTOL turned  to violent  crimes beginning  with slide  5,                                                               
titled,  "Homicide (Alaska)"  and said  the reference  points are                                                               
January 2014  through December 2016.   Most notable,  relative to                                                               
the  others, is  the  amount  of variance  around  the trend,  he                                                               
offered.   Homicides have an  extremely low base  rate phenomenon                                                               
and there is a lot of  variation on a year-to-year basis, as well                                                               
as the month-to-month  basis.  In general,  he explained, overall                                                               
within  this three-year  period, there  is a  roughly flat  trend                                                               
with  a  variability upwards  and  downwards  depending upon  the                                                               
month with a slight decrease from July 2016 to December 2016.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:15:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL  turned to slide  6, titled "Forcible  Rape (Alaska)"                                                               
the month-to-month crime rate trend  between January 2014 through                                                               
December 2016, and noted a  slight increase overall from point to                                                               
point, from  beginning at a  time series at  the end of  the time                                                               
series,   with  fluxuation   above   and   below  the   (indisc.)                                                               
throughout.  During July 2016  to December 2016, once again there                                                               
is a  slight decrease in  the overall rate on  the month-to-month                                                               
basis for statewide totals, he said.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:16:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MYRSTOL turned  to slide  7, titled  "Robbery (Alaska)"  and                                                               
noted  a fairly  consistent increase  overall in  the trend  from                                                               
January  2014  through  December  2016, with  a  slight  downturn                                                               
between July 2016 and December 2016.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:17:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MYRSTOL turned  to slide  8, titled  "Assault (Alaska)"  and                                                               
advised  that  this  data represents  the  assaults  per  100,000                                                               
population known  to police  month-by-month January  2014 through                                                               
2016.   He pointed to  a fairly consistent increase  overall from                                                               
January  2014  through  December  2016, and  in  looking  at  the                                                               
specific  period July  2016  through December  2016,  there is  a                                                               
slight decrease in that crime rate.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:17:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL turned  to slide 9, titled "All  Crime Rate (Alaska)"                                                               
and  said that  all of  the previous  slides of  crime rates  are                                                               
presented on slide  9, and the biggest takeaway of  this slide is                                                               
to  show  the relative  magnitude  differences  for two  offenses                                                               
relative  to the  other  five.   He  said  that  with respect  to                                                               
property  offenses, larceny  theft is  at the  top and  it varies                                                               
from year-to-year.   He  pointed to  property crimes  computed in                                                               
the Uniform Crime Report (UCR),  and said that oftentimes overall                                                               
property crimes  trends track closely and  parallel larceny theft                                                               
trends, and  it is a  similar situation with respect  to assaults                                                               
and  its  relationship  to violent  crime  rate  totals,  wherein                                                               
violent crimes  aggregated with the  significant majority  of all                                                               
violent  crimes known  to police  and  compiled in  the UCR,  are                                                               
assaults.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:18:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL  turned to slide  10, titled "Summary"  and explained                                                               
that  for each  of the  seven  crime categories  depicted in  the                                                               
previous slides,  the crime rate  per 100,000 population  in July                                                               
2016,  and the  crime  rate per  100,000  population in  December                                                               
2016, and  the final column,  is a simple percent  change between                                                               
those two  crime rate computations  in that  particular six-month                                                               
period.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:19:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL responded  to Representative LeDoux that  he does not                                                               
have  statistics  for  2017, and  explained  that  typically  the                                                               
Uniform  Crime  Report data  published  in  Crime in  Alaska  are                                                             
published  on a  six-month delay.    The 2016  data was  released                                                               
approximately one  month ago, and  he would expect the  2017 data                                                               
to be publicly available roughly this time next year.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  commented that it appears  in 2016, people                                                               
living  in Anchorage  "it didn't  have the  feeling of  not being                                                               
safe" as it  appears to have in  2017.  She asked  whether he has                                                               
statistics separating areas of the state.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL responded that he does  not, and offered that the DPS                                                               
performs  great  work and  publishes  the  monthly data  for  the                                                               
statewide totals,  but the jurisdictionally specific  data on the                                                               
month-to-month basis is not publicly available.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX noted  his statement  that the  statistics                                                               
are not publicly available and asked whether it exists.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL  answered the he could  not speak for DPS  as he does                                                               
not  maintain its  Uniform Crime  Report Program.   Although,  he                                                               
said,  it  compiles  data  as  it receives  data,  but  it  is  a                                                               
voluntary  program.   Therefore,  police  agencies provide  their                                                               
data to  DPS at different  paces depending upon  their individual                                                               
resources,  and some  agencies may  not be  able to  submit their                                                               
2017 data  until the  close of  2017.   Whereas, he  noted, other                                                               
departments with more resources may be  able to provide data on a                                                               
quarterly or  monthly basis.   The summary  account data  that is                                                               
collected  on a  month-to-month basis  is compiled  on a  monthly                                                               
basis, he said.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:22:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MYRSTOL, in  response  to  Representative Reinbold,  advised                                                               
that the  population data was  received from  DPS and is  used as                                                               
the population metric with a computation of the rate.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD asked  whether he  used FBI  reports and                                                               
actual reported crime known to the Anchorage Police Department.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MYRSTOL   responded  that  the   data  in   this  particular                                                               
presentation represent  statewide totals,  and these are  the sum                                                               
total  of  all  agencies  for  the entire  state,  by  month,  as                                                               
reported to the DPS.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:23:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  referred to  the summary [slide  10] and                                                               
asked whether larceny theft is down 30 percent.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL explained that the  rates for that particular offense                                                               
statewide,  and  the  difference   between  July  2016  rate  and                                                               
December 2016 rate, is a decline of 30.6 percent.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD asked  whether  Dr.  Myrstol was  saying                                                               
that during  that six-month  snapshot overall  theft was  down in                                                               
the state by 30 percent.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL replied, "I would not."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  asked him to describe  what is happening                                                               
in the state with regard to theft.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL  responded that the  accumulation of the  increase in                                                               
larceny   theft,  often   represented  in   annual  totals,   had                                                               
accumulated prior to the implementation of Senate Bill 91.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD asked whether  any crime was redefined in                                                               
any manner in Senate Bill 91.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL  answered that he  is not  qualified to speak  to the                                                               
legislation in terms of the particular crimes that were changed.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  related  that  it is  important  to  be                                                               
certain they  are measuring the  same issues because  crimes were                                                               
reclassified or redefined.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:25:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN interjected that  Dr. Myrstol has collected                                                               
three  categories based  on crime  statistics  which are  largely                                                               
theft,  burglary, and  motor vehicle  theft.   In  the event  the                                                               
question  is  whether  the  definition  of  what  data  is  being                                                               
collected changed from 2014 to  2016 is a different question than                                                               
Representative   Reinhold's   question  asking   about   specific                                                               
statutes that  were passed or  not passed  in Senate Bill  91 and                                                               
other  legislation.   He  commented  that he  was  unsure of  her                                                               
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  asked whether any crimes  were redefined                                                               
or reclassified in Senate Bill 91,  and if the rules were changed                                                               
in any manner that the outcomes would be different.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL answered, "Yes."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:26:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP explained  to  Representative Reinbold  that                                                               
homicide, forcible  rape, burglary, robbery, and  assault did not                                                               
change and were  not redefined.  The dollar  threshold of larceny                                                               
theft changed,  and he  opined that motor  vehicle theft  was not                                                               
addressed in that legislation.   He offered appreciation that the                                                               
municipality tightened up the law  on that, which makes it easier                                                               
to prosecute people who participate  based on criminal negligence                                                               
(audio  difficulties) versus  an intentional  knowledge, will  be                                                               
good for public safety.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:27:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked Dr. Myrstol to define larceny theft.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL responded, in general,  the FBI definition of larceny                                                               
theft is a personal taking of  property.  For example, there is a                                                               
clear distinction  in the  FBI categorization  and classification                                                               
of larceny  theft as distinct  from burglary and robbery.   There                                                               
is  a thick  coding  manual  that each  agency  uses to  classify                                                               
according to FBI rules, he said.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:28:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked whether  shoplifting would come under                                                               
the definition of larceny theft.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MYRSTOL clarified  that  he should  not  have said  personal                                                               
property,  but  rather  private  property.    He  explained  that                                                               
larceny  theft  is actually  a  specific  subcategory of  larceny                                                               
theft.   For  example, he  noted,  when he  testified before  the                                                               
Finance   Subcommittee   last   week,   he   presented   specific                                                               
shoplifting data  as a  subcategory of  larceny theft  within the                                                               
categorization.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:28:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked whether Dr. Myrstol  has shoplifting                                                               
data.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL answered in the affirmative.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL,  in response to Representative  LeDoux, advised that                                                               
he did not have the shoplifting data with him today.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  noted  interest in  the  statistics  with                                                               
respect  to  the shoplifting  offense  because  it is  the  issue                                                               
legislators  are  hearing  about   from  local  stores  in  their                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MYRSTOL  advised he  would  provide  the statistics  to  the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:29:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  noted there are the  state definitions and                                                               
also  the three  FBI  definitions, larceny  theft, burglary,  and                                                               
motor  vehicle theft.    He  asked whether  there  are any  theft                                                               
offenses in Alaska  that are not included within  those three FBI                                                               
categories.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MYRSTOL opined,  "No,"  and deferred  to  the Uniform  Crime                                                               
Reporting  Program  folks  at the  Department  of  Public  Safety                                                               
(DPS).  However,  he further opined, there has been  no change in                                                               
the FBI definitions  of those crimes as they  are categorized and                                                               
coded for 2016.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:30:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD described Representative  Kopp "as a huge                                                               
proponent  of   Senate  Bill  91,"   and  said  she   would  like                                                               
Representative Kopp to  define how larceny theft  changed, and to                                                               
explain how store after store  dramatically complains about theft                                                               
with a 98 percent increase.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:31:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN stated that  Dr. Myrstol is testifying, and                                                               
he expressed  that the purpose  of the committee hearing  was not                                                               
to interrogate Representative  Kopp, who was not a  member of the                                                               
legislature when Senate  Bill 91 passed.  He stated  he would not                                                               
ask Representative  Kopp to  respond to  Representative Reinbold,                                                               
and advised  that Rob Henderson,  Deputy Attorney  General, would                                                               
testify later  in the hearing  and may  better be able  to answer                                                               
her question about criminal code definitions.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD said  "He said  it was  redefine larceny                                                               
theft.  I wanted to clarify he's the one that brought it up."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MYRSTOL  asked  that   Representative  Reinbold  repeat  the                                                               
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:32:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  said  that Representative  Kopp  stated                                                               
"something  about  larceny theft.    I  wanted  to give  him  the                                                               
opportunity" to  state whether larceny theft  was redefined which                                                               
Dr. Myrstol said  is the taking of personal property.   She asked                                                               
how  to  explain   "the  "vast  --  what  we're   seeing  in  the                                                               
newspapers, which we're  seeing on the news, which  is here today                                                               
versus your statistics"  that it has dropped 30  percent, and how                                                               
to explain this discrepancy.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL clarified that the  difference is based upon what law                                                               
enforcement   reported.      He  stressed   the   importance   of                                                               
understanding  the nature  of  the data,  and  its strengths  and                                                               
limitations  for any  particular  data source  being  used.   The                                                               
data,  as  aggregated  in  crime   in  Alaska,  are  what  police                                                               
departments are  telling the Department  of Public  Safety (DPS),                                                               
and  have brought  to its  attention.   Therefore,  he said,  the                                                               
crime  rate is  computed for  these statewide  totals as  the sum                                                               
total of all offenses within  a particular category as defined by                                                               
the FBI  and divided  by the  total population,  and that  is how                                                               
that rate  is computed.   He commented  that with respect  to the                                                               
decline for  larceny theft, based  on the two prior  years, would                                                               
be perfectly  predictable because it  is a seasonal effect.   The                                                               
trend  would  have suggested  there  would  be a  marked  decline                                                               
following the  late summer,  early fall of  2016, which  would be                                                               
his jumping off  place, he said.  He then  referred to [slide 2],                                                               
larceny theft, noting  a decline in 2016, and said  it was fairly                                                               
predictable assuming that  that seasonal effect is  robust in the                                                               
data.   He apologized  that he did  not have  month-to-month data                                                               
available that extends  back into a farther period  of time where                                                               
the data  could be modeled  more rigorously.  He  reiterated that                                                               
his first  explanation would be  it is a seasonal  effect wherein                                                               
there is  more theft in the  summer.  The mechanisms  of that may                                                               
be any  number of things,  number of tourists, greater  influx of                                                               
people into  the state, kids  out of school, and  many hypotheses                                                               
could be offered  with respect to the particular  dynamics of the                                                               
seasonal effect.   He said that  with respect to the  decline, he                                                               
attributed it to seasonality and the trend.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:35:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN explained that the  committee is on a tight schedule                                                               
and would take one or at the most two more questions.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:35:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  stated  she  would like  a  yes  or  no                                                               
answer, and asked whether the  definition of theft was changed in                                                               
any manner or reclassified in Senate Bill 91.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL answered, "Yes."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD asked for an explanation ...                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  interjected that Representative  Kopp has  the last                                                               
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:35:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  noted that  the  data  Dr. Myrstol  brought                                                               
forth was  good, and the  dollar amount  of theft was  changed in                                                               
that  a class  B  misdemeanor  is now  less  than  $250; class  A                                                               
misdemeanor is  $250 all  the way  up to  just under  $1,000; and                                                               
$1,000 or more is  a felony.  He referred to what  was said to be                                                               
his  philosophical position,  and advised  that he  is personally                                                               
committed to  fighting crime, supporting victims,  and protecting                                                               
taxpayer dollar  accountability in  every dollar spent  on public                                                               
safety.   He  stressed the  importance of  always speaking  about                                                               
good justice policy, good reforms,  and that it is never believed                                                               
"we have finally arrived, and we  never have to look at something                                                               
again," and  always be willing to  examine the data.   He thanked                                                               
Dr. Myrstol for  his good data and suggested that  DPS provide an                                                               
update of more recent data.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:37:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  referred to the question  about the change                                                               
in the theft level, and explained  that "what was a A misdemeanor                                                               
was a  B misdemeanor was  a felony in  theft."  He  asked whether                                                               
that changes the data collected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. MYRSTOL  deferred to  DPS, and opined  that to  his knowledge                                                               
there  is  no redefinition  in  the  UCR definitions  of  larceny                                                               
theft.  How the statutory  provisions enacted via Senate Bill 91,                                                               
and  the reclassification  of particular  offenses, may  not have                                                               
impacted how particular offenses  were counted in the post-Senate                                                               
Bill  91 period,  he explained,  but he  could not  say with  any                                                               
definitiveness there was zero impact.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:38:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  SEAN   CASE,  Acting  Deputy  Chief,   Anchorage  Police                                                               
Department,  noted that  the Anchorage  Police  Department is  in                                                               
full support of the passage of SB  54 as it addresses some of the                                                               
issues  currently being  seen that  are  identified as  problems.                                                               
The first issue is violating  conditions of release, and changing                                                               
it to  a criminal offense  is beneficial to the  Anchorage Police                                                               
Department.    Currently,  he  explained,  when  law  enforcement                                                               
arrests someone and  the judge orders conditions  of release, the                                                               
person  can  essentially  not  follow  those  conditions  and  no                                                               
penalty  is associated  in the  event the  person violates  those                                                               
conditions.   He offered that  changing it to a  criminal offense                                                               
with possible jail time is  a general deterrence in criminalizing                                                               
violations of conditions  of release.  Also, he said,  SB 54 puts                                                               
a  penalty back  into  thefts under  $250  as Anchorage  business                                                               
owners have  been vocal about  the dramatic increases  in thefts,                                                               
trespass, and  assault.  He  related that giving  law enforcement                                                               
the opportunity  to arrest folks  with multiple theft  counts and                                                               
place them  in custody can  not only cut  down on the  thefts but                                                               
also  cut  down   on  folks  returning  to   the  businesses  and                                                               
trespassing.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:40:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  CASE  referred to  thefts  under  $250, and  noted  that                                                               
businesses are  simply not involving the  police department which                                                               
is one of  the reasons shoplifting numbers stay  the same, except                                                               
that  businesses  are  showing  an increase  in  those  types  of                                                               
crimes.  Business owner have  advised law enforcement they do not                                                               
call  because they  do not  believe  it would  be beneficial,  he                                                               
advised.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE referred to class C  felony under SB 54, and advised                                                               
that the  change is beneficial  because law enforcement  has seen                                                               
increased vehicle theft.  He  pointed out that vehicle thefts did                                                               
not start increasing in response to  Senate Bill 91, and that the                                                               
increase   in   vehicle   thefts   started  prior   to   SB   91.                                                               
Nevertheless, he said, there is  an increase, and the penalty for                                                               
first-time  vehicle  theft,  first-time   assault  in  the  third                                                               
degree, and  first-time burglary of  a business all have  no jail                                                               
time, except  that the law  changes under  SB 54.   The Anchorage                                                               
Police  Department  believes that  will  be  impactful for  those                                                               
crimes, particularly burglary and vehicle theft.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:42:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked whether there were  additional fixes                                                               
he would recommend in SB 54.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  CASE  responded  that  criminal  justice  reform  is  an                                                               
ongoing  process and  based on  what is  heard in  the community,                                                               
this is a good  first step.  He opined that  the question of what                                                               
else can be done becomes  a larger conversation because there are                                                               
things in  Senate Bill 91  that are  scheduled to take  effect in                                                               
January  [2018] and  its successes  will be  seen in  the future.                                                               
Generally speaking, he  noted, there are some things  that can be                                                               
done in  addition to SB  54, but the  thing to do  immediately is                                                               
pass this legislation  and see what kind of impact  this has, and                                                               
then continue to  address criminal justice reform  in Alaska from                                                               
that point forward.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  pointed out that  Captain Case  is a member  of the                                                               
Alaska Criminal Justice Commission, and  is a regular attendee at                                                               
all meetings.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:43:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX noted  that SB  54 could  be amended  with                                                               
respect to  other issues,  and asked what  other issues  he might                                                               
suggest.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  CASE stressed  the need  for  substance abuse  treatment                                                               
facilities and  mental health treatment  facilities in  the State                                                               
of  Alaska,  combined  with  the  need to  try  to  divert  those                                                               
involved in  criminal activity  at the  street level  rather than                                                               
weeks  and   months  later  in   the  criminal   justice  system,                                                               
particularly those  with mental health issues  or substance abuse                                                               
issues.   Thus, he pointed  out, when  folks get involved  in the                                                               
prosecution phase  there is the  ability to impact some  of these                                                               
offenders early on,  which will yield higher results  in the long                                                               
run.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:44:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   REINBOLD  advised   that  police   officers  are                                                               
frustrated and discouraged,  and that the overall  belief is that                                                               
they  do  not  like  Senate Bill  91.    Representative  Reinbold                                                               
reiterated  her ongoing  concern with  Senate Bill  91, described                                                               
the upward turn in crime,  and asked whether police officers want                                                               
a repeal of Senate Bill 91.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  CASE said  he  would  not speak  for  the officers,  and                                                               
agreed  there  is some  frustrations  with  the officers  on  the                                                               
street.  People need to  understand that police officer's sign up                                                               
to have  some sort of  impact on issues  related to crime  in the                                                               
street.   He noted that  when hiring police  officers, generally,                                                               
the first  thing they say is  that they want to  perform this job                                                               
to help people, and the way  they have helped people for years is                                                               
using the  law to  put people  in jail  and protecting  those who                                                               
cannot  protect themselves.    When the  rules  are changed  that                                                               
creates  some   disenfranchisement,  which  does  not   mean  the                                                               
traditional model  of policing or  criminal justice in  the state                                                               
has to  remain the same.   Law enforcement can still  benefit the                                                               
people of Alaska by changing the  way "we go about our business."                                                               
Currently, he  pointed out, the problem  is that the state  is in                                                               
that in-between stage,  not all of criminal justice  reform is in                                                               
place,  and a  lot  of officers  are  not yet  at  the next  step                                                               
because the next step is not even an option.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:47:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD reiterated  that the  people "and  cops"                                                               
are  beyond frustrated  and asked  whether Captain  Case believes                                                               
the bail schedule has had an  impact on the levels of crime being                                                               
...                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:48:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  interjected  that Captain  Case  did  not                                                               
attend  this  hearing  to  discuss the  bail  schedule,  and  for                                                               
Representative Reinbold to  focus on the matters  Captain Case is                                                               
available to testify.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  reiterated the current  events happening                                                               
in public  safety, and commented  that the judiciary  branch made                                                               
dramatic changes  to the bail  schedule wherein people  receive a                                                               
slap on their hand if they do not show up for court.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:49:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GERAN TARR, Alaska  State Legislature, referred to                                                               
the confusion about  the implementation of justice  reform on the                                                               
side of officers,  such that they hear they can  no longer arrest                                                               
someone.   She  clarified that  it  is not  that officers  cannot                                                               
arrest  someone,  it  is  what takes  place  after  that  arrest,                                                               
wherein  the  person   is  issued  a  summons   to  court  versus                                                               
previously  having  jail time.    She  suggested that  a  missing                                                               
component is  education for law enforcement  about these changes,                                                               
and  noted  that officers  do  not  have a  continuing  education                                                               
requirement  as  required  for other  professions  on  an  annual                                                               
basis.   She asked  how this  information should  be communicated                                                               
with law enforcement to prevent  missing pieces where the law has                                                               
been changed and the officers  receive the full information about                                                               
those changes in their day-to-day work.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:50:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE  responded that  some of  the confusion  starts when                                                               
new legislation  is introduced  that affects  the officer  on the                                                               
street, and then  there are three to four  versions after several                                                               
months.   The officers  receive the  information on  version one,                                                               
launch  down  that  path,  and  six-months  later  there  is  the                                                               
legislation that actually  passed.  He related  that three things                                                               
happened,  as follows:  the loop  is not  closed on  the original                                                               
bill; they already have  it in their mind as to  what this is all                                                               
about; and many  changes to Senate Bill 91 which  was complex and                                                               
complicated enough, but then it  actually goes down to the street                                                               
and it becomes time for the  user to fill out paperwork "and hand                                                               
it  in boxes,  and stuff  most people  don't think  about."   The                                                               
system  is very  complex, he  described, and  a minimum  of three                                                               
agencies  are involved  with every  person  law enforcement  puts                                                               
handcuffs on  and escorts  to jail  because those  three agencies                                                               
collect  different records,  keep  different  records, and  track                                                               
different records, so it becomes complicated and complex.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE  acknowledged there is  not a state  requirement for                                                               
law enforcement and continuing education  due probably because it                                                               
would bankrupt small  agencies throughout the state  if they were                                                               
required to perform continuing education  when they only have two                                                               
officers.    He  said  he  agrees  that  a  better  job  must  be                                                               
undertaken in educating officers and  making sure they are on the                                                               
same  sheet of  music.   Once  the education  process begins,  he                                                               
pointed out, the Anchorage Police  Department needs to have a few                                                               
more  stakeholders at  the table  so  it can  understand how  the                                                               
process works  from start to  finish.  Otherwise,  inevitably, it                                                               
will train  the officers on  how to perform  a task, they  go out                                                               
and perform the task, and  three months later the officers advise                                                               
that  everything  they were  told  to  do was  completely  wrong,                                                               
ineffective, and  does not work.   The problem will  be something                                                               
downstream  with  a different  agency  that  caused the  original                                                               
train to run amuck so there  needs to be better coordination when                                                               
training officers, he said.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:53:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR commented that  on the legislative side, that                                                               
must be a  lesson learned in terms of making  big changes and the                                                               
implementation timeline.   There  is a  necessity in  making sure                                                               
the  legislature  accommodates  a  period  of  time  to  get  the                                                               
information  out to  the officers.   She  commented that  this is                                                               
something  the   legislature  will  hopefully  learn   from  this                                                               
experience, how  to improve that  issue even with the  changes in                                                               
54,  how to  make sure  this  is clearly  communicated, and  that                                                               
everyone is on the same page.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE answered that  the immediate implementation portions                                                               
of  Senate  Bill 91  caused  a  lot of  problems,  and  a lot  of                                                               
officer's  call  prosecutors  or  district  attorney  offices  to                                                               
advise they  are not  sure what  to do with  this because  it was                                                               
literally  different   yesterday  than  today.     Typically,  he                                                               
advised,  the answer  the  officers would  receive  is that  they                                                               
would try  to give the best  answer they could, but  they were in                                                               
the  same position  as the  police  officers, and  that could  be                                                               
improved in the future.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:54:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  asked  Captain  Case  to  explain  how                                                               
assault in the third degree was changed under Senate Bill 91.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE  responded that  SB 54 is  specific on  changing the                                                               
jail  time of  a first-time  class C  felony, and  it also  lists                                                               
specific  offenses   which  primarily  are   operating  influence                                                               
offenses that those  do not impact, as  it relates to SB  54.  He                                                               
explained that  is the only differentiation  about the first-time                                                               
class C felonies.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:55:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  opined that "assaults were  supposed to                                                               
be  unimpacted" and  after  a review  in the  spring  of 2016  he                                                               
realized that  was not  entirely accurate, "but  that is  what we                                                               
were told."   He asked that if someone commits  an assault in the                                                               
third degree and  it is their first-class C  felony, whether they                                                               
cannot be jailed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE deferred to Rob Henderson, Department of Law.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP answered  that one  of the  discrepancies is                                                               
the  difference  between  statutory  definition  of  offense  and                                                               
penalties.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:57:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT  opined that Senate Bill  91 redefined all                                                               
class C  felonies, except unclassified  felonies, in  some manner                                                               
whether it  was sentencing or the  definition of the crime.   She                                                               
described the  confusion for  the public  and law  enforcement is                                                               
based  on  the fact  there  was  so  much definition  change  and                                                               
penalty change  that it became  an overarching reasoning  that it                                                               
is a class  C felony and "you're  just not going to  go to jail,"                                                               
the penalties remain the same for unclassified felonies.                                                                        
There is  a perception in  the public  that all class  C felonies                                                               
changed when  there is still  a portion of unclassified  that had                                                               
no  distinct changes.   She  asked  whether there  is a  specific                                                               
change  predominantly  needed  outside  of  the  class  C  felony                                                               
changes,  such as  the  "sober law"  and being  able  to hold  an                                                               
intoxicated individual until they are no longer intoxicated.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE responded  that that is probably  the biggest impact                                                               
in  law enforcement  currently.   For example,  a police  officer                                                               
comes in contact  with someone who committed  a misdemeanor crime                                                               
while under the influence, previously  the police officer had the                                                               
ability to book  those folks into jail until they  were sober, or                                                               
a sober adult could pick them  up, which allows for a cooling off                                                               
time.   He said that  in the event  someone is driving  under the                                                               
influence  or  commits  a  disorderly  conduct  offense  and  law                                                               
enforcement has  contact with  them and gives  them a  summons to                                                               
appear,  but  because  they  cannot  be  held  in  jail  and  are                                                               
extremely intoxicated,  the police  may have a  secondary contact                                                               
with them  later on  either as  a victim or  in committing  a new                                                               
offense.  These  folks are not particularly in the  best frame of                                                               
mind  when  they committed  the  crime  in  the first  place  and                                                               
alcohol  is  probably a  contributing  factor,  except, when  law                                                               
enforcement does  not have  the ability to  remove some  of those                                                               
individuals and  put them somewhere  to sober up and  make better                                                               
decisions, it is a problem.   That is probably the biggest impact                                                               
officers  are seeing  on  the street,  watching  folks under  the                                                               
influence leave  the scene without  law enforcement's  ability to                                                               
intervene.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:00:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT  asked  that  in  the  case  of  domestic                                                               
violence  where  the  person is  intoxicated,  whether  currently                                                               
police can  hold someone  who has  committed a  domestic violence                                                               
assault because it is under an unclassified felony.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  CASE  agreed, and  he  said  that domestic  violence  is                                                               
different ...                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  interjected that domestic  violence is  a mandatory                                                               
arrest.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE answered in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:01:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN referred  to a shoplifting offense  prior to justice                                                               
reform  efforts and  since the  passage  of Senate  Bill 91,  and                                                               
asked whether  businesses called in  every shop lifting  event to                                                               
the police  or whether many  businesses just did not  call police                                                               
even before justice reform began.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE said  he would venture a guess that  there is under-                                                               
reporting of everything all of the time.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:01:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  surmised  that  SB  54  does  not  change                                                               
anything with respect  to whether the police  department can hold                                                               
someone who is drunk.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE answered in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX surmised that  that is something additional                                                               
Captain Case would like to see in SB 54.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  CASE  replied  that  it   would  be  beneficial  to  law                                                               
enforcement, and it is not necessary for SB 54 right now.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:02:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked whether  any other  change to  SB 54                                                               
may  be beneficial  to  law enforcement,  other  than the  mental                                                               
health programs he mentioned previously.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE responded (indisc.) at this time.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  inquired as to whether  there was anything                                                               
else "out there" that Captain Case may being considering.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN   CASE  answered   that  the   Alaska  Criminal   Justice                                                               
Commission and others  throughout the state are  performing a lot                                                               
of work, which  is a much longer conversation.   There is nothing                                                               
that could  be passed immediately  and have an  immediate impact,                                                               
and he  commented that Representative  LeDoux was asking  a "very                                                               
complex,  multi-tiered  question"  and  there was  not  a  simple                                                               
response.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  surmised that the  Anchorage Police  Department was                                                               
not advocating any amendments to SB 54 at this point.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE answered in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:04:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD continued  to express  her concern  with                                                               
Senate Bill 91, and that if  the property is under $250, a person                                                               
could steal "one hundred thousand times  and you can't have a day                                                               
in jail."  Currently, she said,  a class C felony, which is theft                                                               
of a firearm,  vehicle theft, animal cruelty, PFD  theft, and the                                                               
list of class C felonies goes on,  and as long as the person does                                                               
not have a prior conviction they cannot have a day in jail.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN interjected  that Representative  Reinbold was  not                                                               
asking a question.  He explained  that SB 54 actually changes the                                                               
status and makes  it so the very crimes she  was describing would                                                               
actually have  penalties and it  sounded like support for  SB 54.                                                               
He asked that she ask a question of the witness.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  asked whether Captain Case  would prefer                                                               
theft to  be "back-classified"  to pre-Senate  Bill 91,  and have                                                               
harsher penalties with jail time for theft.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHAIR  CLAMAN said he would  narrow Representative                                                               
Reinbold's  question  to  be, whether  Captain  Case  proposes  a                                                               
different treatment  of theft than  that proposed  in SB 54  as a                                                               
change from what was approved in Senate Bill 91.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN CASE answered, "No."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:07:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ROB HENDERSON, Deputy Attorney  General, Central Office, Criminal                                                               
Division, Department of Law, turned  to slides 2-3, and explained                                                               
that the  13 member Alaska  Criminal Justice Commission  brings a                                                               
unique and  specific skill set to  the table, and it  is  charged                                                               
with  evaluating criminal  justice  issues, what  works and  what                                                               
does not work.   In 2015, the Alaska  Criminal Justice Commission                                                               
found  that   Alaska's  prison  population  was   growing  at  an                                                               
unsustainable rate, and the state  could not continue in the same                                                               
manner  as in  the past.   He  noted that  two out  three inmates                                                               
returned to  prison within three  years, a 66  percent recidivism                                                               
rate,  and  there was  an  overreliance  on incarceration.    The                                                               
commission  has  long  discussed,  and continues  to  discuss  at                                                               
length, that  long periods of  incarceration have  a criminogenic                                                               
effect on  offenders, and to  find alternatives  to incarceration                                                               
when appropriate.   He  advised that  criminal justice  reform is                                                               
supported by the  Department of Law and  this administration, and                                                               
the state needs  to continue moving in the  direction of criminal                                                               
justice reform.  Senate Bill 91  was not working as designed once                                                               
it was implemented  into practice, he acknowledged, and  SB 54 is                                                               
designed to address those issues.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:10:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENDERSON  turned to  slide  4,  and reiterated  there  were                                                               
unintended  consequences related  to  Senate Bill  91 because  it                                                               
needed more  flexibility.  Absolutely  necessary, he  advised, is                                                               
that law  enforcement, prosecutors,  and judges  have flexibility                                                               
when addressing  some of  these issues  because sentencing  is an                                                               
individualized process.  At the time  a judge imposes any type of                                                               
sentence,  it  is   required  by  case  law,   statute,  and  the                                                               
Constitution   of  the   State   of  Alaska   to  consider   five                                                               
contemplations,    as    follows:   rehabilitation;    isolation;                                                               
deterrence of  offender after release; deterrence  of others; and                                                               
community  condemnation  and  reaffirmation  of  societal  norms.                                                               
These are basic principles in  criminal law, and basic principles                                                               
every judge is required to go  through and announce on the record                                                               
when  they  impose a  sentence  as  the  judge goes  through  and                                                               
decides   how    each   principle   furthers    the   defendant's                                                               
rehabilitation.   In  addition  to State  v.  Chaney "the  Chaney                                                             
factors," judges are required to  balance both reformation of the                                                               
offender against  the need to  protect the public and  the rights                                                               
of victims.  These two things  will always be at odds, there will                                                               
be  a  tension, this  is  the  goal  of  every judge  imposing  a                                                               
sentence, he explained.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:13:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENDERSON turned  to slide  5,  and pointed  out that  every                                                               
situation is different, every  offender, every circumstance, even                                                               
the same offender who commits  the same offense because they will                                                               
come  in under  different  circumstances, so  sentencing must  be                                                               
individualized.   The  factors listed  on slide  5, are  specific                                                               
factors judges will  assess when imposing a sentence,  and are in                                                               
addition  to the  criteria  of the  Chaney  factors, as  follows:                                                             
acceptance or  denial of responsibility, an  offender who accepts                                                               
responsibility should  be treated differently under  the law than                                                               
an  offender  who  refuses  to   take  responsibility  for  their                                                               
actions;  the same  as with  substance abuse  wherein someone  is                                                               
asking  for  help;  prior  criminal  activity,  and  he  said  he                                                               
intentionally did  not say  "prior criminal  convictions" because                                                               
criminal convictions  are limited, it is  specific, requires that                                                               
the  person  move  all  the  way  through  the  criminal  justice                                                               
process, and  obtain a conviction  - a judge is  permitted, under                                                               
certain circumstances, to assess, evaluate,  and give weight to a                                                               
person's prior  criminal activity  even though  they had  not yet                                                               
been convicted  because judges will always  give consideration to                                                               
the  victim, their  family, and  how this  offense affected  this                                                               
community;  judges will  consider how  the defendant  acted after                                                               
the  offense in  post-offense  behavior; and  the motivation  for                                                               
criminal behavior.  Someone motivated  by money should be treated                                                               
differently than  someone motivated  by a substance  abuse issue.                                                               
These are not the only items judges will consider, he said.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:16:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON turned  to slide 6, and explained that  at the very                                                               
core of SB 54, it tries  to balance all of these things together,                                                               
and  does not  depart from  the  idea and  mindset that  criminal                                                               
justice reform is necessary and  appropriate.  He said to balance                                                               
that against  the recognition that  judges, prosecutors,  and law                                                               
enforcement need  more tools,  and that  tool is  discretion, the                                                               
ability to assess each case individually.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:16:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON described the three  main highlights of SB 54 class                                                               
C felony  offenses as follows:  petty theft; theft in  the fourth                                                               
degree;  and violation  of  conditions of  release  (VCOR).   The                                                               
three terms  he said  he will  continue to  use are  active time,                                                               
suspended time, and probationary time.   He explained that active                                                               
time  is  that  period  of incarceration  the  judge  can  impose                                                               
immediately  upon   finding  a   person  guilty   at  sentencing.                                                               
Suspended  time  is the  period  of  incarceration that  will  be                                                               
withheld  from imposition  on the  condition  the person  follows                                                               
their probation conditions, and in  the event they fail to follow                                                               
their  probation conditions,  violate that  probation, the  court                                                               
then  has the  authority to  impose a  portion of  that suspended                                                               
time.   Probation term  is the  length of time  a person  will be                                                               
held  under  the supervision  of  the  Department of  Corrections                                                               
(DOC), they  will have a  probation officer, or the  court system                                                               
if they are on "informal misdemeanor probation."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:18:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON turned  to slide 7, and explained that  SB 54, with                                                               
regard to class C felony  offenses, changes the presumptive range                                                               
from  what it  is  now,  which is  zero  to  18 months  suspended                                                               
probation,  to zero  to  one year.   Under  the  former law,  the                                                               
presumptive range  for class  C felony offenses  was zero  to two                                                               
years, and  a judge could  impose a  sentence of both  active and                                                               
suspended time anywhere between zero  to two years depending upon                                                               
the  circumstance of  the offense.    Under current  law, it  was                                                               
changed  to zero  to  18 month  suspended time  under  a term  of                                                               
probation.  Under SB 54, the  range is zero to one-year period of                                                               
incarceration,  and the  zero to  one-year period  can be  active                                                               
time, suspended time, and most likely  a combination of both.  He                                                               
explained that suspended  time and probation is  key to achieving                                                               
all  of  the  sentencing  factors he  previously  listed  because                                                               
prosecutors   want  individuals   on  probation,   on  supervised                                                               
release.  There  are few offenders in which  the prosecution will                                                               
say "flat time" because the  way prosecutors achieve all of those                                                               
sentencing  goals  and  finds  the  balance  between  deterrence,                                                               
isolation, rehabilitation, and such,  is that the prosecutor asks                                                               
the judge  to impose  some active time  and some  suspended time,                                                               
and  keep  that  over  the  defendant's  head  and  put  them  on                                                               
probation.   He  advised that  it is  key that  all offenders  be                                                               
released from  incarceration under some form  of supervision, and                                                               
the  range  of  zero  to  one year  of  incarceration  gives  the                                                               
prosecutors and the judges the  ability to tailor the sentence to                                                               
the individual  offender.   This bill  also authorizes  judges to                                                               
order   residential  treatment,   which   is  important   because                                                               
residential  treatment is  akin to  incarceration under  the law.                                                               
In the event the judge wanted  to incentivize or order the person                                                               
to treatment,  for instance 60-90  days of  inpatient residential                                                               
treatment, the judge  had to have the authority  to impose actual                                                               
jail time and  make that a condition of probation.   He explained                                                               
that SB  54 allows the  judge to order residential  treatment, if                                                               
appropriate.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:22:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENDERSON explained  that first  felony conviction  does not                                                               
necessarily  mean first  conviction, and  every offender  and re-                                                               
offense  is different.   He  further explained  that someone  may                                                               
have a  misdemeanor criminal  history or  an old  felony criminal                                                               
history, and all  of those things indicate that  person should be                                                               
treated differently than someone with  no criminal history.  Zero                                                               
to one year  allows the judge to treat  offenders differently, he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:23:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON turned to slide 8,  and advised that the second key                                                               
component of  SB 54 is  theft under  $250, and under  state code,                                                               
theft in  the fourth degree  is also known  as petty theft.   The                                                               
discussion is  about increasing discretion  for judges  to impose                                                               
jail time,  if appropriate,  under those  specific circumstances.                                                               
He noted public concern as to  whether or not tools are available                                                               
to disrupt  that criminal  cycle when  people engage  in repeated                                                               
thefts  and  shoplifts.   The  bill  returns that  discretion  to                                                               
prosecutors and  judges to order  someone into jail  if convicted                                                               
of theft and it is their second or third offense.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:24:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENDERSON continued  with slide  8, and  advised it  depicts                                                               
that  under former  law there  were graduated  sanctions for  the                                                               
offenses, and under the first  two theft offenses, a person could                                                               
receive  up to  90-days in  jail,  and the  third theft  offense,                                                               
referred to  as recidivist  theft, was  up to  one year  in jail.                                                               
Under current law, he advised,  the first two theft offenses were                                                               
changed  to  just  fines  or  probation  and  no  jail  time  was                                                               
authorized, and  at the third  offense, the judge  was authorized                                                               
to impose  up to five days  suspended.  In the  event this person                                                               
violated their conditions of probation,  the judge was authorized                                                               
to  impose a  term of  jail for  that violation,  and the  judges                                                               
would return the person to  incarceration or impose jail time for                                                               
the  violation  of probation,  not  for  the underlying  offense.                                                               
This bill  takes that  first offense  and allows  for up  to five                                                               
days suspended  on the first  offense, meaning that on  the first                                                               
low-level theft the  person will receive a  sentence of five-days                                                               
suspended and  probation on  the condition  they perform  well on                                                               
probation, and that  jail term would not be imposed.   Except, he                                                               
noted,  in  the  event  the   person  did  not  perform  well  on                                                               
probation, a jail term would be  imposed.  On the second or third                                                               
offense, the judge has authority to  impose active jail time.  He                                                               
explained that the  bill attempts to provide tools  so when there                                                               
are  repeat offenders  with the  continual cycle  of thefts,  the                                                               
cycle can be disrupted.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:26:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON  turned to  slide 9, and  explained that  the final                                                               
main  aspect  of  SB  54  is  violating  conditions  of  release.                                                               
Captain Case  noted confusion and  struggle that  law enforcement                                                               
does not  have the  tools necessary  to address  people violating                                                               
their bail  conditions, and the  bill allows  up to five  days in                                                               
jail, if  appropriate.  This  is important because  under current                                                               
law, a  person violating  conditions of  release is  committing a                                                               
violation,  not a  criminal  act.   He explained  that  it is  an                                                               
arrestable violation that  may be sanctioned with  a fine, except                                                               
that  description  is   confusing  because,  generally  speaking,                                                               
violations are  not arrestable.   However, he said, what  the law                                                               
allows is  that it changes that  dynamic a bit and  "we said that                                                               
officers need the ability to arrest  on VCORs, but we're going to                                                               
keep it  as a violation,"  which is contrary  to the way  the law                                                               
has  historically  been  written  and  that  necessarily  created                                                               
certain confusion,  he said.   The practical  effect of  that was                                                               
that judges were apprehensive about  holding someone in jail on a                                                               
violation, even though it was  an arrestable violation, until the                                                               
bail hearing  in which  the original  judge could  then re-assess                                                               
what  bail should  be  in the  underlying  sentence, he  advised.                                                               
This  bill   addresses  that  issue   by  making   violations  of                                                               
conditions  of  release  a  criminal offense  again,  a  class  B                                                               
misdemeanor, and it allows for  the imposition of up to five-days                                                               
in jail, if  appropriate.  He offered that this  will clarify for                                                               
law  enforcement that  it can  take someone  into custody  who is                                                               
violating their  bail conditions,  and it  will also  clarify for                                                               
judges  that  they can  hold  that  person  in jail  pending  the                                                               
subsequent bail review for that underlying offense.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:29:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  surmised that under  SB 54, for  the first                                                               
offense, the penalty is a "get out of jail free card."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON referred  to theft in the fourth  degree, the petty                                                               
theft statute, and explained that  under the current iteration of                                                               
SB 54,  a person convicted of  a first-time theft in  the fourth-                                                               
degree offense would receive a suspended jail sentence.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  referred  to  the  ongoing  frequency  of                                                               
current shoplifting  crimes, and  asked the rationale  for taking                                                               
away the judge's discretion under the former law.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENDERSON   replied  that  this  legislation   returns  that                                                               
discretion,  acknowledging  it  is  not  as  much  discretion  as                                                               
existed in the former law, which  was 90 days.  This, he offered,                                                               
is  that balance  and compromise  because it  is known  that long                                                               
periods of  incarceration may have that  criminogenic effect, and                                                               
it is a person's first low-level theft conviction.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:30:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  referred to long periods  of incarceration                                                               
possibly contributing to  recidivism, and argued that  one or two                                                               
days did not appear to be a long period of time.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENDERSON  referred to  the  results  of the  research,  and                                                               
explained that it shows that  long periods of incarceration had a                                                               
criminogenic effect  on low  risk offenders.   He  clarified that                                                               
that  does   not  necessarily  mean  offenders   with  low  level                                                               
offenses, but low risk offenders.   He described that there was a                                                               
good assumption  that those individuals convicted  of their first                                                               
petty theft,  with no  prior criminal  theft history,  would fall                                                               
into the category of lower risk.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX pointed  out that the person  could have no                                                               
prior  theft   history,  but  they   could  have   histories  for                                                               
misdemeanor  assaults, and  various other  deeds, and  still only                                                               
receive five days  suspended, which is the "get out  of jail card                                                               
for the first theft."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON responded  that SB 54 limits that  prior history to                                                               
theft  history, and  it is  possible  that someone  could have  a                                                               
prior criminal  history that is  non-theft related.   He remarked                                                               
that whether  it is  a "get out  of jail free  card" is  a policy                                                               
question, but there  is a sanction of  misdemeanor probation with                                                               
up to five days in jail.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:32:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN noted,  from a practical standpoint  and long before                                                               
the justice reform  process started, with regard  to a first-time                                                               
theft  in   the  fourth  degree  (audio   difficulties)  class  B                                                               
misdemeanor  theft  conviction,  he   asked  whether  folks  were                                                               
receiving jail time or a suspended sentence most of the time.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON  answered that, as  a general rule with  first time                                                               
low-level theft offenders, it was  unlikely prosecutors would ask                                                               
for jail time on those offenses.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:33:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD asked whether  Mr. Henderson was in favor                                                               
of Senate Bill 91.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON  replied that  he is in  favor of  criminal justice                                                               
reform.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:33:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  described SB  54 as a  baby step  in the                                                               
right  direction, and  asked  that in  his  experience, how  many                                                               
times a person actually stole  property prior to being caught and                                                               
convicted.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON opined that  Representative Reinbold's question was                                                               
how  often,  in his  experience,  someone  he was  convicting  or                                                               
asking a jury  to convict someone of theft in  the fourth degree,                                                               
did  he know,  based on  other information,  that they  had prior                                                               
involvement in the criminal justice system, including theft.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD said  that  before  someone is  actually                                                               
caught  stealing oftentimes  they have  already done  it multiple                                                               
times ...                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD, in response  to Chair Claman's question,                                                               
answered that she was focusing solely on theft.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  asked  whether   her  question  was  that                                                               
someone was  stopped for  shoplifting in  Fred Meyer,  and before                                                               
that  time, when  they were  in front  of prosecutors  five prior                                                               
times ...                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  clarified that research has  shown there                                                               
are  dozens  of times  someone  steals  before being  caught  and                                                               
convicted, and described  that it is a high bar  to be caught and                                                               
also convicted.  She offered concern  as to the zero to five days                                                               
(audio  difficulties) discretionary.   She  said it  is important                                                               
that committee  members are able  to express the concerns  of the                                                               
people and districts they represent and not be shut out.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:36:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN noted  that  people  are not  being  shut out,  and                                                               
Representative Reinbold disagreed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:37:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON responded  that he had not  experienced, during his                                                               
time as a  prosecutor, where someone had  several prior incidents                                                               
of shoplifting when  he was convicting for  the first conviction,                                                               
but if he had had that  information, it would have been important                                                               
to know  as the prosecutor.   He  then referred to  the principle                                                               
that sentencing  has to  be an  individualized process,  and said                                                               
that  if he  knew,  through testimony  or  information from  loss                                                               
prevention at  some of  these stores,  that a  certain individual                                                               
continued to come into the store  over and over again and this is                                                               
the  first time  they were  caught, that  is something  the judge                                                               
needs to  know.  Equally,  he pointed out,  if this is  the first                                                               
time the person had been  involved in the criminal justice system                                                               
and  first  theft  conviction,  the  judge  needs  to  know  that                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:38:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  surmised  that Mr.  Henderson  believes                                                               
people are caught  the first time, and asked that  with his legal                                                               
background, how many times a  person had previously stolen by the                                                               
time they were caught and convicted.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN   noted  that  Mr.  Henderson   had  answered  that                                                               
question, but he would give  Representative Reinbold another shot                                                               
at clarification.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON answered that he  could not answer that question of                                                               
data and  social science, and as  a prosecutor he had  to operate                                                               
with the information before him.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:39:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP said  that speaking from his  experience as a                                                               
police  officer from  1986 -  2009, it  was common  when bringing                                                               
someone into arraignment, if law  enforcement had knowledge there                                                               
were other  problems associated  with the  person, such  as other                                                               
arrests still working their way  through the system for high risk                                                               
behaviors under  investigation, law  enforcement could ask  for a                                                               
high bail regardless of what the penalty was at sentencing.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON responded that that  can still done, but judges can                                                               
be hesitant  to hold  someone in  jail on bail  when there  is no                                                               
potential  sanction of  incarceration.   In the  event there  was                                                               
that  potential for  incarceration,  a judge  is  more likely  to                                                               
determine that the person needs a  high bail for all of the high-                                                               
risk behaviors Representative Kopp described.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:40:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  referred  to  the time  period  prior  to                                                               
Senate  Bill  91, and  said  Mr.  Henderson  stated that  it  was                                                               
unlikely  if a  person was  a first-time  theft offender  whether                                                               
they would actually get jail time.   She asked whether they would                                                               
have gotten  jail time  if this had  been their  first-time theft                                                               
conviction, but they had a myriad of other "things."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENDERSON  answered  that   if  someone  had  a  significant                                                               
criminal history outside  of a theft and it  was their first-time                                                               
theft offense,  it was likely  the prosecutor would ask  for jail                                                               
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  clarified her  question that  under Senate                                                               
Bill 91,  and SB 54,  there is no  jail time  even if there  is a                                                               
myriad of other offenses.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON responded that active  jail time is not authorized,                                                               
only suspended jail time.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:41:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT  referred to  Senate Bill  91 testimonies,                                                               
and  the 5/19/17  memorandum from  John Skidmore,  through Robert                                                               
Henderson  to  Senator  John   Coghill,  its  Executive  Summary,                                                               
written  subsequent to  the passage  of Senate  Bill 91,  and she                                                               
read as  follows: "This  means Alaska  has the  lowest authorized                                                               
sentences in  the nation for  this wide  range of conduct."   She                                                               
asked  whether Mr.  Henderson had  performed the  same sentencing                                                               
survey as  to changing  the sentencing for  the class  C felonies                                                               
proposed  in SB  54,  and  whether Alaska  still  has the  lowest                                                               
authorized sentences  in the nation  "for that" with  the changes                                                               
in SB 54.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENDERSON advised  that he  did  not believe  Alaska is  the                                                               
lowest in  the nation any longer.   He then highlighted  that the                                                               
reason Alaska is the lowest under  current law, is due to the way                                                               
Alaska categorizes or classifies  criminal offenses.  He referred                                                               
to the  Department of Law's (DOL)  summary of all class  C felony                                                               
offenses  that  fall  within  Title   11  [contained  within  the                                                               
committee packets]  and commented  that it  is a  long list.   He                                                               
clarified that  the summary contains  only class C  felonies that                                                               
fall within  Title 11, it does  not include Titles 4,  8, 16, 28,                                                               
or any other title in the Criminal  Code.  He pointed out that it                                                               
is important  because a lot  of other states  distinguish between                                                               
various  low-level  felony  offenses,   even  within  their  same                                                               
classifications.   For example, he said,  many states distinguish                                                               
between violent  low-level felony  offenses and  non-violent low-                                                               
level  felony  offenses,  and  Alaska  does  not.    Instead,  he                                                               
explained,  Alaska  handles  that situation  by  authorizing  the                                                               
judge  to  impose this  particular  presumptive  range, and  that                                                               
range  has been  intended  to  encompass all  of  that myriad  of                                                               
conduct.    He remarked  that  it  comes back  to  why  it is  so                                                               
important there is the sentencing range in SB 54.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:44:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT surmised  that other  states have  larger                                                               
classifications and  "you kind  of chart out  what states  do and                                                               
what  their  classifications,"  and  folks that  want  to  repeal                                                               
Senate Bill 91 and start over,  and want to  take Mr. Henderson's                                                               
memorandum  to Senator  Coghill and  implement some  of the  wide                                                               
ranges.    She  indicated  it  would be  a  better  way  for  the                                                               
legislature to  serve the public,  and keep the public  safe, "by                                                               
having  some of  these other  states that  have implemented  this                                                               
broad range  and more  categories of the  better way  of deciding                                                               
criminal  justice,  and  how  we  sentence  and  how  we  convict                                                               
people."  The proponents of  repealing Senate Bill 91 have looked                                                               
at  this  memo,  and  suggest   repealing  and  implementing  Mr.                                                               
Henderson's  recommendations.   She asked  whether Mr.  Henderson                                                               
would  like to  see a  different  form, possibly  take the  other                                                               
references in the  memo, and change how Alaska does  that to more                                                               
reflect successful states.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON  answered that a full  repeal of Senate Bill  91 is                                                               
dangerous because it  has numerous phases and it would  be a step                                                               
backwards from  where the  legislature started.   He  agreed that                                                               
Alaska looking  to other states  is a good  place to start.   For                                                               
example,  "how do  we" make  sure the  judges have  discretion to                                                               
treat violent  offenders differently than  non-violent offenders.                                                               
Other  states have  addressed that  issue and  have given  Alaska                                                               
some  guidance, and  the Criminal  Justice Commission  is another                                                               
body  looking at  that issue.   He  referred to  the question  of                                                               
whether the  legislature should start  all over, and  pointed out                                                               
that Senate Bill 91 has multiple  phases and some of those phases                                                               
have  not yet  been implemented.   He  explained that  phase one,                                                               
reclassification of  criminal offenses (audio  difficulties) went                                                               
into  effect  July 2016;  phase  two,  changes to  probation  and                                                               
parole, went into effect January  [2017], and the question of how                                                               
Alaska handles,  sanctions, and incentivizes people  on probation                                                               
and parole  is in  play now,  and judges  are still  learning and                                                               
figuring out what  works; and phase three,  the pretrial services                                                               
unit is important to Alaska and  is the first time the state will                                                               
be able  to supervise offenders  in pretrial status,  which comes                                                               
into effect January 1, 2018.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:47:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT described  that the  cart was  put before                                                               
the horse, and  criminal justice reform should  have started with                                                               
phases two and  three, and then if those  phases were successful,                                                               
to  move to  phase one  because the  public is  most upset  about                                                               
phase  one.   She referred  to the  6/17/16, Department  of Law's                                                               
bill  review to  Governor Bill  Walker, and  said it  warns about                                                               
some of  these things in phase  one, is a detailed  look at phase                                                               
one, and  it possibly points out  some of the flaws  seen without                                                               
having phase  three implemented,  especially.  In  reviewing some                                                               
of  its  recommendations,  she said  she  assumes  Mr.  Henderson                                                               
supports SB 54  in its current form, and asked  whether there are                                                               
other things DOL  would be supportive of if instituted  in SB 54.                                                               
She  asked whether  DOL is  open to  looking at  other amendments                                                               
that would  strengthen SB 54, and  if so, would he  be willing to                                                               
provide a  list of additional changes  to SB 54 based  off of the                                                               
6/17/16 memo  wherein some  issues were  pointed out  with Senate                                                               
Bill 91.   A list  of amendments was  taken from the  bill review                                                               
letter   that   she   believes   conceptually   make   sense   in                                                               
strengthening  Senate   Bill  91,  and  she   surmised  that  Mr.                                                               
Henderson would be supportive.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON responded  that this is a process,  and as Governor                                                               
Walker said  when proposing SB 54,  this is a good  and important                                                               
first step,  and it is  too early to  tell whether there  will be                                                               
additional steps.   Contained  within SB 54  are the  issues they                                                               
heard  from their  law  enforcement partners  that  needed to  be                                                               
addressed quickly, he said.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:50:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  pointed  out  that if  there  is  a  memo                                                               
wherein  DOL had  "a whole  bunch of  suggestions to  Senate Bill                                                               
91,"  why DOL  could not  say on  the record  that it  would like                                                               
these suggestions implemented.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENDERSON replied  that after  this hearing  he will  review                                                               
that memo because  if there are suggestions, he wants  to be sure                                                               
he is clear on the memo.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:50:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD asked Mr.  Henderson to explain the three                                                               
phases.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON responded that, generally  speaking, phase one went                                                               
into  effect  in   July  2016,  and  was  the   revision  of  the                                                               
classification  and sentencing  structure of  the Criminal  Code.                                                               
Class C  felony sentences moved from  zero to two years,  to zero                                                               
to  18 months  suspended probation;  where the  presumptive range                                                               
was  changed;  and where  it  elevated  the (audio  difficulties)                                                               
threshold from  $750 to $1,000 felony  level theft.  That  is the                                                               
reclassification (audio  difficulties), he said.   Phase two went                                                               
into effect in  January 2017, the probation and  parole phase, in                                                               
which probation  and parole instituted  a new way to  monitor and                                                               
surprise offenders on  probation and parole.   He explained there                                                               
are administrative  sanctions and incentives to  encourage people                                                               
to  perform  well  on  probation   and  parole,  and  the  earned                                                               
compliance credit is  incentive to be on probation  for a shorter                                                               
period of  time.   Research shows that  if people  will reoffend,                                                               
they   will   reoffend   (audio  difficulties   -   issues   with                                                               
construction noises), he said.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:52:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[CHAIR CLAMAN had a discussion  with unknown speaker asking Chair                                                               
Claman to repeat his request for people to mute their lines.]                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:53:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.   HENDERSON  noted   that   earned   compliance  credit   was                                                               
implemented  because  the research  shows  that  people who  will                                                               
violate their  probation or reoffend  once released will  do that                                                               
within the  first six to twelve  months after their release.   In                                                               
the  event a  person  can  be incentivized  to  stay the  course,                                                               
engage in their  ordered treatment, and do all of  the things the                                                               
state wants  them to do,  they are  much more likely  to succeed.                                                               
Phase three is bail and  pretrial release, which goes into effect                                                               
on  January  1,  2018,  and  at that  point,  the  Department  of                                                               
Corrections  will  have  60  new  pretrial  service  officers  to                                                               
supervise and  assess offenders  on bail  release.   The officers                                                               
will  use an  evidence based  risk assessment  tool in  assessing                                                               
bail offering judges  more information when assessing  bail as to                                                               
low,  medium, and  high-risk individuals.    The risk  assessment                                                               
tool  will assess  two separate  factors:  the risk  of a  person                                                               
committing a new criminal act, and  the risk of failure to appear                                                               
because  at this  point the  person  is presumed  innocent.   The                                                               
tool, he reiterated,  will allow DOC to provide  judges with more                                                               
information  as  to what  the  bail  should  be, and  under  what                                                               
conditions.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:55:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  advised that the construction  company had                                                               
been  advised  the meeting  would  conclude  at 11:30,  which  is                                                               
roughly  30  minutes  past  time.     He  advised  Representative                                                               
Reinbold that  he would give  her one  brief question, and  if it                                                               
was not brief, she would not be allowed to ask it.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Discussion  between  Chair  Claman and  Representative  Reinbold                                                               
regarding asking a question.]                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:56:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD asked whether Mr. Henderson believes                                                                    
public safety is the government's top mandate, noting her belief                                                                
that it is dangerous not to repeal Senate Bill 91.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENDERSON answered that as a prosecutor, public safety is                                                                   
one of his number one priorities.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:57:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 11:57 a.m.                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
UAA Justice Center Presentation - Crime Rate Trends 2014-2016 10.16.17.pdf HJUD 10/16/2017 10:00:00 AM
Department of Law Presentation - SB 54 10.16.17.pdf HJUD 10/16/2017 10:00:00 AM